tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post7220695503810753452..comments2023-11-20T23:39:53.372+03:00Comments on Ancient and Medieval Macedonian History: Afrocentrism and the distortion of Greek historyAkritashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05564034383394082659noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-20973580829002676162014-02-17T01:30:45.536+02:002014-02-17T01:30:45.536+02:001. But the blog shows clear examples of where this...1. But the blog shows clear examples of where this is contradicted in the actual greek art. It showed black women and white men<br />2. Re-read the quotes. ie "tangible evidence of the integration of Africans into various levels of Greek society"<br /><br />"The black glaze central to Athenian vase painting was ideally suited for representing black skin, a consistent feature used to describe Ethiopians in ancient Greek literature as well. Ethiopians were featured in the tragic plays of Aeschylus, Sophokles, and Euripides; and preserved comic masks, as well as a number of vase paintings from this period, indicate that Ethiopians were also often cast in Greek comedies."<br /><br />"y Greek artists<br />in the Archaic (ca. 700–480 B.C.) and Classical (ca. 480–323 B.C.) periods, black skin color being the primary identifying physical characteristic. It is recorded that Ethiopians were among King Xerxes' troops when Persia invaded Greece in 480 B.C. Thus, the Greeks would have come into contact with large numbers of Africans at this time."<br /><br />This is not just people being portrayed in art. In fact it states quiet clearly that black color was used by greek artist to identify african peoples. It also states the black vase was suited for showing their black skin and that they were featured in the plays and there is tangible evidence of Ethiopians into VARIOUS levels of Greek society. They also state there were a large number of Africans in Greece<br /><br />Further:<br />"During the eighth and seventh centuries B.C., the Greeks renewed contacts with the northern periphery of Africa....It is<br />likely that images of Africans, if not Africans themselves, began to reappear in the Aegean." <br /><br />So if Africans are reappearing in the Aegean around the 8th and 7th century what does that tell you? They were there before.<br /><br />"While scenes related to Ethiopians in mythology became less common, many more types occurred that suggest they constituted a larger minority element in the population of the Hellenistic world than the preceding period"<br /><br />How large is a large minority, well that is up for interpretation I'd suppose but it seems clear there were a large amount of Ethiopians in Ancient Greece. Enough that it cannot merely be dismissed as a political opinion made simply to draw the ire of some of us who are interested in Hellenistic civilization but rather should be discussed and explored.Hernandayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11766776991147601403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-57327165252579357702014-02-16T12:57:47.996+02:002014-02-16T12:57:47.996+02:001-"Women’s skin is always indicated with a wh...1-"Women’s skin is always indicated with a white opaque color, which is also frequently used for details such as individual horses, clothing or ornaments. "<br />2-Met museum speaking for "Africans in Ancient Greek art" and not for "black Greeks". Akritashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564034383394082659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-64407872131878720652014-02-16T10:52:06.240+02:002014-02-16T10:52:06.240+02:00....
including Alexandria in the Nile Delta, becam.......<br />including Alexandria in the Nile Delta, became centers where significant Greek and African populations lived together."<br /><br />"With the establishment of the Ptolemaic dynasty and Macedonian rule in Egypt, after the death of Alexander the Great in 323 B.C., came an increased<br />knowledge of Nubia (in modern Sudan), the neighboring kingdom along the lower Nile ruled by kings who resided in the capital cities of Napata and later Meroe. Cosmopolitan metropolises,<br />including Alexandria in the Nile Delta, became centers where significant Greek and African populations lived together."<br /><br />"Large-scale portraits of Ethiopians made by Greek artists appear for the first time in the Hellenistic period and high-quality works, such as images on gold jewelry and fine bronze<br />statuettes, are tangible evidence of the integration of Africans into various levels of Greek society."<br /><br /><br />Hemingway, Sean and Colette Hemingway. "Africans in Ancient Greek Art". In Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History. New York: The Metropolitan Museum of Art, 2000–. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/afrg/hd_afrg.htm (January 2008) <br /><br />http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/afrg/hd_afrg.htm<br /><br />3. I read your response but it was not.... very compelling perhaps. Contamination from handling seems unlikely in such a broad sample of ancient sources. For one not all of them are coming back as the same african haplogroup. Some are central african, some are southern african, and some are west africans, and a few great lakes african. So it would mean you have 5-6 different african people from different regions contaminating the source. This is difficult to believe because almost no black people worked on these projects. If any contamination, one would expect it to be showing northern or north west european as that is who is usually conducting the test and working the labs (or sometiimes chinese/east asian). <br /><br />I do agree intrusion from microbes makes recovery of ancient dna more difficult but it is not overly difficult in fact it is done quiet commonly and microbes cannot change the dna of a source from one group to another only contamination could but then you'd get 2 DNA samples not just 1. The odds of getting 12 contamination from over 4-5 different regions with the Hernandayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11766776991147601403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-44055560670637184102014-02-16T10:51:43.113+02:002014-02-16T10:51:43.113+02:00Arrrh. I type out a long and complete response now...Arrrh. I type out a long and complete response now its all gone<br />1. Wiki doesn't answer the question from what I saw, could you be more specific preferably quote from where.<br />2.<br />Africans in Ancient Greek Art (I first learned of this theory when seeing this exhibit)<br /><br />"Tales of Ethiopia as a mythical land at the farthest edges of the earth are recorded in some of the earliest Greek literature of the eighth century B.C., including the epic poems of Homer. Greek gods and heroes, like Menelaos, were believed to have visited this place on the fringes of the known world. However, long before Homer, the seafaring civilization of Bronze Age Crete, known today as Minoan, established trade connections with Egypt. The Minoans may have first come into contact with Africans at Thebes, during the periodic bearing of tribute to the pharaoh. In fact, paintings in the tomb of Rekhmire, dated to the fourteenth century B.C., depict African and Aegean peoples, most likely Nubians and Minoans. "<br /><br />"During the eighth and seventh centuries B.C., the Greeks renewed contacts with the northern periphery of Africa. They established settlements and trading posts along the Nile River and at Cyrene on the northern coast of Africa. Already at Naukratis, the earliest and most important of the trading posts in Africa, Greeks were certainly in contact with Africans. It is<br />likely that images of Africans, if not Africans themselves, began to reappear in the Aegean. In the seventh and early sixth centuries B.C., Greek mercenaries from Ionia and Caria served<br />under the Egyptian pharaohs Psametikus I and II."<br /><br />"All black Africans were known as Ethiopians to the ancient Greeks, as the fifth-century B.C. historian Herodotus tells us, and their iconography was narrowly defined by Greek artists<br />in the Archaic (ca. 700–480 B.C.) and Classical (ca. 480–323 B.C.) periods, black skin color being the primary identifying physical characteristic. It is recorded that Ethiopians were among King Xerxes' troops when Persia invaded Greece in 480 B.C. Thus, the Greeks would have come into contact with large numbers of Africans at this time. Nonetheless, most ancient Greeks had only a vague understanding of African geography. They believed that the land of the Ethiopians was located south of Egypt. In Greek mythology, the pygmies were the African race that lived furthest south on the fringes of the known world, where they engaged in mythic battles with cranes "<br /><br />"The black glaze central to Athenian vase painting was ideally suited for representing black skin, a consistent feature used to describe Ethiopians in ancient Greek literature as well. Ethiopians were featured in the tragic plays of Aeschylus, Sophokles, and Euripides; and preserved comic masks, as well as a number of vase paintings from this period, indicate that Ethiopians were also often cast in Greek comedies."<br /><br />Well into the fourth century B.C., Ethiopians were regularly featured in Greek vase painting, especially on the highly decorative red-figure vases produced by the Greek colonies in<br />southern Italy (50.11.4). One type shows an Ethiopian being attacked by a crocodile, most likely an allusion to Egypt and the Nile River. Depictions of Ethiopians in scenes of everyday life are rare at this time, although one tomb painting from a Greek cemetery near Paestum in southern Italy shows an Ethiopian and a Greek in a boxing competition.<br /><br />"With the establishment of the Ptolemaic dynasty and Macedonian rule in Egypt, after the death of Alexander the Great in 323 B.C., came an increased<br />knowledge of Nubia (in modern Sudan), the neighboring kingdom along the lower Nile ruled by kings who resided in the capital cities of Napata and later Meroe. Cosmopolitan metropolises,<br />Hernandayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11766776991147601403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-5183803764332166722014-02-16T10:19:19.450+02:002014-02-16T10:19:19.450+02:00As regards Diop’s languages claims, there is a cri...As regards Diop’s languages claims, there is a critisicm from Pr. Stephen Howe(Afrocentrism Mythical Pasts and Imagined Homes, pages 178- 179) that we must consider it:<br /><br />“<i>The fundamental principle of historical linguistics is that all languages change over time, and so diverge increasingly from related languages. Thus the more differences there are between two neighbouring languages, the further back in time they must have diverged. But comparative linguistics cannot give us absolute elates: the rate of language change is not constant, and the 'original' splitting off of two languages from one another is always a process - a long-drawn-out one - rather than a single dateable event. <br />Where the comparison is between a long-dead language and living ones, evidently enough, still further problems supervene (see. for example, Mokhtar 1981: 63).<br /><br />Attempts on statistical analysis have usually proceeded by drawing up lists of a few hundred basic words, which should be as little culturally loaded as possible and which therefore change only very slowly over time. <br />Diop's list’s do not conform to these criteria. <br />He makes no apparent attempt to formulate a systematic 'core' vocabulary or to distinguish between words with strong cultural, religious or ideological overtones and those without. <br />The percentage of closely similar words from this basic list which two languages share provides an indicator of how closely related the languages are - with an ently on the list counting as positive only if form and sound are very similar and the meanings identical, and with the whole process having validity only if one already has strong reasons to think that the two languages share a common ancestor. <br />Diop's listings, again fail to meet these criteria. </i>”<br />Akritashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564034383394082659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-18790850938706705642014-02-16T08:45:17.522+02:002014-02-16T08:45:17.522+02:00Why are you insist to repeat arguments when the wr...Why are you insist to repeat arguments when the writer of the article is clear why these racial studies are problematic?<br />I gave you the reason. Please step forward. <br />Akritashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564034383394082659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-13173685510965072312014-02-16T08:36:34.757+02:002014-02-16T08:36:34.757+02:001-The wiki link, gives answers to the first questi...1-The wiki link, gives answers to the first question.<br /><br />2-Where met museum speaks for black Greeks? Give me please the exactly sentence<br /><br />3-I gave you my response as regards the DNA. I repost it: Contamination from handling and intrusion from microbes create obstacles to the recovery of Ancient DNA.<br />[Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt by Kathryn A. Bard, Steven Blake Shubert pages 278-279]<br />Akritashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564034383394082659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-79051337240041215832014-02-16T01:51:50.056+02:002014-02-16T01:51:50.056+02:00It is in her book.
The problem with contamination...It is in her book.<br /><br />The problem with contamination theory is you have to be able to prove there was some west and central african guy contaminating the results. As far as I know all of the dna were performed by white people with the exception of hawass who himself is egyptian.Hernandayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11766776991147601403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-91868894167289558352014-02-16T01:48:59.931+02:002014-02-16T01:48:59.931+02:00I do not ignore the so called Black figure Pottery...I do not ignore the so called Black figure Pottery painting, if you read the entire post, you'd see that I clearly acknowledge and explain why it is not plausible explanation. I suggest you have a 2nd look. How do you explain the appearance of white figures on the black figure pottery?<br /><br />Also one of your sources, the met museum actually acknowledges that the figures I show were black greeks.<br /><br />How do you explain away the dna evidence? <br /><br />PS. lets keep name calling to a minimum and have a civilized intelligent discussion between adults.Hernandayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11766776991147601403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-24088919486862894802014-02-15T19:53:24.571+02:002014-02-15T19:53:24.571+02:00Pr . Lefkowitz doesnt claim also "similarit...Pr . Lefkowitz doesnt claim also "similarities between Egyptians and black Sudanics and recommends the work of conservative anthropologist Nancy Lovell for more research on the subject." in the Black Athena Revised and pages 105-106.<br /><br />The pages that you mentioned , written from Kathryn A. Bard and not from Pr . Lefkowitz. <br />As regards your claim, Pr Bard is clear:<br />"<i>Two problems, however, hinder such studies. <br />First, graves in Egypt have been robbed since prehistoric times. Intact tombs, such as Tutankhamen's, are the great exception, and even his tomb had been penetrated twice in antiquity by robbers. <br />Second, many skeletons excavated by earlier archaeologists working in Egypt were either not kept, or have been stored so poorly that today they are in very bad condition</i>."<br /><br />Akritashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564034383394082659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-57830534754820226592014-02-15T18:17:55.174+02:002014-02-15T18:17:55.174+02:00Dear Hernanday you claim that "many of the an...Dear Hernanday you claim that "many of the ancient greeks were indeed black", and you post it some ancient Greek paintings, fresco e.t.c.<br />It is obviously you are trapped in the afrocentric pseudoscience since you ignore the so called "Black-figure pottery painting".<br />This kind of painting was one of the styles of painting on antique Greek vases.<br />More in...<br />1-http://www.ancient.eu.com/Black_Figure_Pottery/<br />2-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-figure_pottery<br />3-http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/vase/hd_vase.htm<br /><br />The black figures are NOT meant to depict black people. The subjects are primarily from Greek mythology and are meant to represent Greeks but in a silhouette form.Akritashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564034383394082659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-24924624322376270452014-02-15T13:18:54.663+02:002014-02-15T13:18:54.663+02:00Pr . Lefkowitz doesnt mention that "the Egy...Pr . Lefkowitz doesnt mention that "the Egypt was peopled by people from sub-Saharan Africa, not Caucasoids from the north" in the quote that you post it. She said...." <i>13. Origins of the Egyptians. Recent work on skeletons and DNA suggests that the people who settled in the Nile valley, like all of humankind, came from somewhere south of the Sahara; they were not (as some nineteenthcentury scholars had supposed) invaders from the north. </i>"<br />[https://archive.org/details/Not-Out-Of-Africa]<br /><br />Where do you find the first quote?<br /><br />Second, the book of Lefkowitz & Rogers (Black Athena Revised, page 104), clear concluded that the "<i><b>Ancient Egyptians were Mediterranean peoples, neither Sub-Saharan blacks nor Caucasian whites</b> but peoples whose skin was adapted for life in a subtropical desert environment. Ancient Egypt was a melting pot; peoples of different ethnic identities migrated into the Nile Valley at different times in its prehistory and history.</i>"<br /><br />I hope we make it this clear. In the book there three chapters that anylyzed the issue of the origin of the ancient Egyptians. <br /><br />Akritashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564034383394082659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-39579777769331365232014-02-15T11:30:02.375+02:002014-02-15T11:30:02.375+02:00The issue is we have over a dozen mummies dna test...The issue is we have over a dozen mummies dna tested, all coming back as black africans... that seems beyond contamination? Am I to believe that all of the samples were contaminated when many were tested multiple times? Further how do you explain that there were very few black people involved in the sampling and in some there were none?<br /><br />I agree modern Egyptians are an admixture of whitess and Africans. But even Lefkowitz says that the Ancient Egyptians were black which is why I find it confusing you referenced me to her given your position.<br /><br />"Mary Lefkowitz says the Egypt was peopled by people from sub-Saharan Africa, not Caucasoids from the north. Recent work on skeletons and dna Suggest that the people who settled in the Nile Valley like all of humankind came from somewhere south of the Sahara; they were not (as some nineteeth-century scholars has supposed invaders from the North...." Mary Lefkowitz (1997) Not Out of Africa:. Pg 242"<br />http://worldhistoryandanthropology.blogspot.ca/2014/02/ancient-egyptian-fraud-series-part-3-of_15.html<br /><br />"....early Nile Valley populations can be identified as part of an African lineage." The author goes on to describe that the Ancient Egyptian exhibited physical characteristics in the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa and that " In general, the inhabitants of Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas. (Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians physical anthropology of, Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, 1999) pp 328-332). I cite Lovell because this is who Lefkowitz cites as her a reliable source.<br /><br />In black Athena revisited, Lefkowitz finds similarities between Egyptians and black Sudanics and recommends the work of conservative anthropologist Nancy Lovell for more research on the subject. p 105-106.<br /><br />http://worldhistoryandanthropology.blogspot.ca/2014/02/ancient-egyptian-fraud-series-part-3-of_15.html<br /><br />From what I've read of Lefkowitz she has argued the ancient greeks were not black but the ancient egyptians were black.<br /><br />Further Keita seems to support her position<br /><br />Lefkowitz cites Keita 1993 in Not Out of Africa. Keita on the Jebel Moya studies found the data grouped more with black Africans than Middle Easterners or Europeans: "Egyptian groups showed less overall affinity to Palestinian and Byzantine remains than to other African series, especially sudanese." S.O.Y. Keita, "Studies and comments on Ancient Egyptian Biological Relations." History in Africa 20 (1993) 129-154<br /><br />http://worldhistoryandanthropology.blogspot.ca/2014/02/ancient-egyptian-fraud-series-part-3-of_15.html<br /><br /> Would you be good enough to respond to my questions. Thank you sir.Hernandayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11766776991147601403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-4984332637091975382014-02-15T09:56:33.695+02:002014-02-15T09:56:33.695+02:00Dear Hernanday you put a lot of issues(DNA, potter...Dear Hernanday you put a lot of issues(DNA, pottery, ancient testimonies e.t.c. )<br /><br />I will start withe the DNA issue. <br />Contamination from handling and intrusion from microbes create obstacles to the recovery of Ancient DNA.<br />[Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt by Kathryn A. Bard, Steven Blake Shubert pages 278-279] <br /><br />Consequently most DNA studies have been carried out on modern Egyptian populations with the intent of learning about the influences of historical migrations on the population of Egypt.<br />[Keita & Boyce, S.O.Y.; Boyce, A. J. (Anthony J.) (June 2009). "Genetics, Egypt, and History: Interpreting Geographical Patterns of Y Chromosome Variation". History in Africa 32 (1): 221]<br />[Keita (2005), S.O.Y. (2005). "Y-Chromosome Variation in Egypt". African Archaeological Review 22 (2): 61]<br />[Keita, S.O.Y. (2005). "History in the Interpretation of the Pattern of p49a,f TaqI RFLP Y-Chromosome Variation in Egypt". American Journal of Human Biology 17 (5): 559–67]<br />[Shomarka Keita: What genetics can tell us]<br /><br />In general, various DNA studies have found that the gene frequencies of modern North African populations are intermediate between those of the Near East, southern Europe and Sub Saharan Africa,[Cavalli-Sforza, L.L., P. Menozzi, and A. Piazza. 1994. The History and Geography of Human Genes. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 169-174]<br /><br />Last source is the magnificent book of Lefkowitz & Rogers (Black Athena Revised) that answers many of your questions as regards the race of the ancient Egyptians. <br />Akritashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564034383394082659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-79416556822010570282014-02-14T11:18:52.891+02:002014-02-14T11:18:52.891+02:00http://d39ya49a1fwv14.cloudfront.net/wp-content/up...http://d39ya49a1fwv14.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/KingTut.jpg<br />http://worldhistoryandanthropology.blogspot.ca/2014/02/ancient-egyptians-race-controversy.html<br /><br />Am I to believe all those pictures of black people or people who look black are not black?<br /><br />"Testimony of Classical Greek and Roman Historians<br />Virtually all of the early Latin eyewitnesses described the ancient Egyptians as black-skinned with woolly hair. Several ancient Greek historians noted that Egyptians and Ethiopians had complexions that were “melanchroes,” which most scholars translate as black, while some scholars translate it as “dark” or “dark skinned.”<br />Some of the most-often quoted historians are Diodorus Siculus and Herodotus.<br />According to most translations, Herodotus wrote that a Greek oracle was known to be from Egypt because she was “black,” that the natives of the Nile region are “black with heat,’ and that Egyptians were “black skinned with woolly hair.”<br />Diodorus Siculus wrote that the Ethiopians considered the Egyptians their colony.<br />Lucian observes an Egyptian boy and notices that he is not merely black, but has thick lips.<br />Appollodorus called Egypt the country of the black-footed ones.<br />Aeschylus, a Greek poet, wrote that Egyptian seamen had “black limbs.”<br />Gaston Maspero states that “by the almost unanimous testimony of ancient [Greek] historians, they [ancient Egyptians] belonged to the African race, which settled in Ethiopia.”<br /><br />Am I to believe the Historians in Greece and Rome were afro-centrics as well. Can you respond to this. Thank you.<br />http://worldhistoryandanthropology.blogspot.ca/2014/02/ancient-egyptians-race-controversy.html<br /><br /><br />As for the cleopatra question she was not fully greek only on the father side but her mother is believe to be native. Based out of articles from the bbc news it appears her sister was black. And as you know there is already debate that the ancient greeks aren't white so cleopatra being greek is not sufficient proof that she was not black<br /><br />Many of the ancient greeks were indeed black<br /><br />http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Minoan/Minoan_fresco.jpg<br />http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Minoan/Black_youth_2.jpg<br />http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4PggF1fmeuE/Uv2dtDQ_DCI/AAAAAAAAADk/Jhvhur9ul48/s1600/black+crete+10.jpg<br />http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Rhyton_African_Cdm_Paris_1238.jpg<br /><br />http://worldhistoryandanthropology.blogspot.ca/2014/02/what-race-were-ancient-egyptians-you-be.html<br /><br />Further you offer no motivation for why so many non-blacks like Bernal are trying to use afrocentrism. Although you do misuse the word.<br /><br />If you think Mali has an absence of historical records you are sorely mistaken, it has some of the largest historical records collection of any country on the planet. In fact the desert climate has done a very good job at preserving the books from the ancient period. But its not really the point. All the evidence seems to indicate the ancient egyptians were indeed black Africans. And that isn't because it is in africa or because of afrocentrism. I say this from viewing the dna evidence, the pictures, the tombs, the art, the culture and associations.<br /><br />In fact far more often we see pictures like this of black egyptian pharaohs killing light or pale yellow skin invaders<br /><br />http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cugvNphw_tY/Uv2kLEyBdeI/AAAAAAAAAFU/228408p-W7I/s400/Egytpian+smashing+white+heads.jpg<br /><br />So I will await for you to retest the mummies and prove that Zawi Hawass made mistakes in the dna result as did the other 3 dna labs and dna tribes.<br /> feel free to respond here or respond over at<br />http://worldhistoryandanthropology.blogspot.ca/Hernandayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11766776991147601403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37478410.post-24975126508676236992014-02-14T11:17:31.270+02:002014-02-14T11:17:31.270+02:00http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tAd7z8PM9GI/UNFTbOeZLiI/...http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tAd7z8PM9GI/UNFTbOeZLiI/AAAAAAAAAsE/Ucc6CnM-SEs/s1600/rameses3dnaresults.jpg<br /><br />http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6k9gmvL06qA/UNFVlmmMNrI/AAAAAAAAAsU/DgxY7sDxEBE/s1600/afropharaoniclinks.jpg<br /><br />Dna says ancient egyptians are black and they portrayed themselves as black. Please respond to the evidence sir<br /><br />http://manuampim.com/Images/4Rmt.jpg<br /><br />http://worldhistoryandanthropology.blogspot.ca/2014/02/what-race-were-ancient-egyptians-you-be.html<br /><br />http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3825/denkmaelerpl48rameseskv.jpg<br /><br />http://worldhistoryandanthropology.blogspot.ca/2014/02/the-ancient-egyptian-race-debate-is.html<br /><br />You speak alot about afrocentrism in general but you offer no PROOF for what you say just arguments and broad general statements that are refuted by actual egyptologist. In fact your claim Egypt is not part of an African culture is easily refuted through the most basic google search.<br /><br />http://d39ya49a1fwv14.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/egyptian-pictures1.jpg<br /><br />"Cultural Unity of Egypt With The Rest of Africa<br />Diop found that in ancient Egypt there existed “African cultural commonalities” of matriarchy, totemism, divine kinship, and cosmology.”<br />Through a study of circumcision and totemism, he offers detailed data on the cultural unity between Egypt and the rest of Africa. He noted: “Historians are in general agreement that the Ethiopians, Egyptians, Colchians, and people of the Southern Levant were among the only people on earth practicing circumcision, which confirms their cultural affiliations, if not their ethnic affiliation.”<br />He added: “The Egyptian style of (adolescent) circumcision was different from how circumcision is practiced in other parts of the world, but similar to how it is practiced throughout the African continent.”<br /><br />You have criticised afro-centrism alot but you offer no PROOF to refute their points.<br /><br />"Linguistic Unity With Southern and Western Africa<br />In a detailed study of languages, Diop illustrated the strength of the cultural ties between ancient Egypt and its African neighbors by comparing the Egyptian language with Wolof, a Senegalese language spoken in West Africa near the Atlantic Ocean.<br />Diop clearly demonstrates that ancient Egyptian, modern Coptic of Egypt, and Wolof are related, with the latter two having their origin in the former.<br />“The kinship between ancient Egyptian and the languages of Africa,” Diop wrote in the General History of Africa, “is not a hypothetical but a demonstrable fact which it is impossible for modern scholarship to thrust aside.”<br />He believed the kinship to be genealogical, and he provided examples:<br />In ancient Egyptian “kef” means “to grasp, to take a strip (of something)”; in Wolof it means “to seize a prey.”<br />“Feh” means “go away” in ancient Egyptian; in Wolof it means “to rush off.”<br />To further demonstrate similarity between the two languages, Diop also examined verb forms, demonstratives, and phonemes. The results, he found, showed little difference between the two."<br /><br />http://worldhistoryandanthropology.blogspot.ca/2014/02/ancient-egyptians-race-controversy.html<br /><br /><br />"DNA Evidence (BONUS)<br />DNATribes, a genomics company that specializes in tracing individuals’ ancestry to certain global populations has recently subjected the published STRs profiles (DNA samples) of Pharaoh Tutankhamen and family to analysis. They report that the closest living relatives of the mummies are sub-Saharan Africans, especially those from Southern Africa and the Great Lakes region.<br />The company also tested the STR profiles of Ramesses III and found that among present-day populations, Ramesses’ autosomal STR profile is most frequently found in the African Great Lakes region, where it is approximately 335.1 times as frequent as in the world as a whole."<br />Hernandayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11766776991147601403noreply@blogger.com